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I have made my last trip to Winstar Casino in Thackerville in Oklahoma. I have played blackjack for 30 years all over the country, but never at the Indian Casinos. I have won and lost, and admit to being somewhat of a sore loser. I have come to the conclusion you simply cannot win there. When I sit at a table, eventually everybody ends up disgusted from losing over and over and leave. It seems like know one wins. I wander if there are any former pit bosses from Vegas that work there and through their years of experience can see that something is just not right. It is uncanny how many blackjacks, aces up in a row that the dealers get. They crack me up when they put on what seems to be an act that they are so suprised by all their blackjacks, standing 20's, and hitting and not busting. I wish I had kept statistics on the percentage of hands I win. What I am sure of is that I can play 75-150 hands and maybe win three hands in a row during that stretch of playing. I can play 50 hands and never see a two-card 20 until the dealer has the samething. It does not matter if I am playing at a table with six decks or tables where they re-shuffle once they get through about two decks.
I cannnot go there and even play a leisurely game at the $5.00 minimum table. We just seem to lose and lose and lose. I want to repeat that I am a very experienced player, aware of bad streaks and the possibility of losing 10,15 or more hands in a row. But this is rediculous. I wrote the gaming commission, but I am already aware of the setup in Oklahoma and know it will fall upon deaf ears.
Could the machines be set up where once 'card-rich' hands that lean towards the house began to be shuffled into the machines in away that really increase the houses chance of winning. I play almost 99% by the mathmatics of the game.
i truly believe that one day it will be proven that somehow those shuffling machines are rigged.
Not one more .50 cent ante from me. I am done.

DJTeddyBear

Is it possible to rig the shuffler? Sure. Anything is 'possible'.

May 25, 2007 The only negatives with the video blackjack are: the deck is re-shuffled each hand, and they pay 2 to 1 for blackjack (but much better than the even money I've seen on some machines). And, of course, IF the machine is set to cheat. Sep 05, 2013 But the automated blackjack game was a far better deal than I was going to get on the live table. And at $2 a hand, I could make room in my day for even a so-so game. Far better than $10 a hand at a terrible game. Aug 04, 2013 They are very unlikely to be rigged. But they shuffle each hand, so there is no advantage in counting. Also, the speed of play is VERY fast, so you may go through your stake.

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Would they? My knee-jerk answer is 'no'.
It's easy enough for a casino to implement rules to give themselves a higher house edge, that to risk bad publicity and possible loss of their gambling license on a rigged shuffler.
Then again, if it's an Indian casino, even if caught, would they lose their license? Possibly not, which may increase the odds that they actually did it.

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the machine would have to be rigged so that it feeds the right cards to just the dealer. That is quite an ambitious cheat seems to me.

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WizardofEngland

It is so unlikely, it can not be possible.
First, the machines cost $1,000's to purchase, and you can never get the full spec on how they work. So even if you had your own technician, he would need to know exactly how the machine worked to be able to alter it. He could end up making a very expensive paperweight if he got it wrong.
Next, what logic do you give the shoe? Give all the players hard 17-20 and the dealer blackjack? Unlikely that sort of logic would work. Are Virtual Blackjack Machines Rigged

Also the shoe outputs clumps of cards, so there is always a card ready to be drawn, you would need to plan in advance for it work, how many players are playing, how many boxes are open, what if a player leaves, splits tens, or doubles down on a hard 15?
All these make it so remote, its not even worth doing. The time and investment spent does not outweigh the gain, on a game that already makes money.

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thlf

I worked at shufflemaster for several years. The shufflers are not nor can they be rigged. I had all of the internal passwords to set up the software, firmware, etc. and there is nothing there that can be altered to gain advantage either way. They are exactly as u see them.

thecesspit

I'd worry less about a shifty shuffler and more about a shifty deck of cards being fed in. Hold out a few cards from the deck and you could improve the house's chances.

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buzzpaff

You mention a 50 cent ante. Do you realize you will never beat that! 70 hands = $35 an hour in ante fees. The best any counter can expect is 1.5% profit. That includes ' George ' the greatest counter per Ken Uston. You would have to bet over $2300 per hour, count perflecthy and be able to spread your bets from 1 to 8 just to break even.
Are you paying a 50 cent ante, playing $5 BJ and somehow expecting to win ? If you are stay away from that firewater LOL

SOOPOO

Not one more .50 cent ante from me. I am done.

Help me out, forum. Is there a blackjack game where you have to pay a fee for the right to play the game? And people complain about 6:5?
In my wildest dreams I could not envision playing ONE hand where I had to pay an 'ante'. Yuma- it is possible you have had disproportionately bad hands, but if you are really paying an 'ante' you have NO CHANCE.

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As soon as a player took a goofy hit, the whole rest of the shoe would be off. If you think they're cheating, hit a 19, and then you'll get all the other guy's cards.

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Croupier is right

Looks like there is a first time for everything :D

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DJTeddyBear

Croupier is right -- the virtual BJ machines in Pennsylvania deal from separate shoes for each player and the dealer.

I don't think that's isolated to Pennsylvania.
I'm under the understanding that ShuffleMaster's TableMaster machines does that for ALL games that can use multiple decks, and in all jurisdictions.

FleaStiff

A good deal of your post relates to what is a perception regarding the dealers actions and facial expressions. This is not evidence, the dealers are bored and often have fixed expressions in place.
I think you might want to rephrase the question as: Assuming that rigging the shoe is indeed going to work, how long would it take to rig it and how much additional money would be made for the time and effort the casino invested in that cheating.
Normally a casino has no need to cheat. Normally a casino manager is worried about losing a license if there is ongoing pervasive cheating.
In an Indian casino there is usually no fear about losing a license. Still there is no need for it to cheat, they just change the payout. With this mandated ante to play and a 6:5 payout, I sure don't see how you could really expect to win.
So on balance I'd say, its probably not rigged simply because its not worth their time and effort to do such a thing. Indian casinos are not noted for being cash cows for the players, they are noted for being cash cows for the tribes. I don't think anyone would play at an Indian casino if they happened to have an alternative that was close to them. Whether this one particular casino has a reputation or not, I don't know but your response should simply be to save up your money and go to Vegas where the exact same financial results may occur but you will not have the slightest worries about the fairness involved. It may not be a comfort to your wallet but it will be a comfort to your peace of mind.
Indian casinos often declare a slot machine jackpot to be a malfunction and the player has no recourse. If it happens in Vegas, you at least get an armed Gaming Officer and a right to a hearing. Thats the difference between a state being worried about its primary industry and a Tribe that has no worries about anything at all.

WizardofEngland

Forgive my ignorance, but why is the there no fear of losing a licence in an Indian casino?
I recently stayed at the Seminole Hard Rock in Florida, and noticed no difference between an indian casino and a traditional casino. I wasn't sure what to expect, but all was normal.

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DJTeddyBear

Forgive my ignorance, but why is the there no fear of losing a licence in an Indian casino?

It counts as either 1 or 11 so it cannot be busted by Hitting once. The key is the nature of the Ace in blackjack – this is the only card in the game that does not have a fixed value. Hard vs soft hand blackjack.

Every time I see a statement like that, I wonder the same thing.
I'm assuming that, unlike state licensed casinos, there is no outside authority available to oversee and/or settle dispites. There generally IS a self-appointed authority, but the feeling is, who do you think they will side with? And even if something is uncovered, who do you think they will report it to?
For the record, I don't believe any of it. I gotta believe that they have to answer to someone. Maybe not on the state level. Maybe on the federal level, but there's got to be some form of oversight.

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I recently stayed at the Seminole Hard Rock in Florida, and noticed no difference between an indian casino and a traditional casino. I wasn't sure what to expect, but all was normal.

I think even if the allegations were true, to a casual observer, you'd never notice anything different - except that the decor may have an Indian theme.

WizardofEngland

Not really an indian theme, just guitars and music related stuff everywhere. for some reason?

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DJTeddyBear

Seminole may be Indian owned, and on soverign Indian land, but it's managed by, themed as, and named, Hard Rock.

WizardofEngland

I believe the casino in question is just outside the indian land, but with the amount of money the seminole's have, they can pretty much buy ANYTHING. I believe they loaned the state of Florida $1BN in return for legalized blackjack. They say roulette there is a matter of time.

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FleaStiff

Forgive my ignorance, but why is the there no fear of losing a licence in an Indian casino?

Some Indian tribes are mere concoctions by lawyers, some Indian tribes are more cults than tribes. The main thing is that usually the licensing authority is a rubber-stamp entity created by the tribe itself. Some Indian tribes have tremendous political clout and economic clout.
>I recently stayed at the Seminole Hard Rock in Florida, and noticed no difference between an indian casino and a traditional casino.
You didn't notice any craps or roulette, you didn't notice any significant Comps being awarded, you were in what was essentially a monopoly and therefore not required to be responsive to customers who have complaints.

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I did get my whole bill comped for the stay though, meals, drink and mini bar, was circa $1,800. Not to shabby I think.

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